Final Part 20: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
Final Part 20: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
© 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe
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“I do remember reading a CIA file on Harry Truman
in which he was talking about the Cold War starting and that there
were aliens from outer space and some looked like little humans
and some looked like insects.”
- “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst
First Secretary of Defense James V. Forrestal from September 17, 1947,
to March 28, 1949, with U. S. President Harry S. Truman, undated.
March 8, 2009 Albuquerque, New Mexico - The previous Part 19 was my August 7, 1998, phone call with Stein about the two men who stopped him in a supermarket parking lot, showed Stein photographs of himself from the 1950s southeastern base period as well as 1998 photos of Stein's only son at work and home, and told Stein that if he continued to work with me, his son would come to harm. But Stein agreed to consider my traveling to his home again with a small videotape crew to record his whole CIA Project Blue Book story, to be held by me until after his death before public distribution. Through the U. S. mail, I sent him a letter with proposed details for the taping and a non-disclosure letter signed and dated by me that confirmed I would not use the videotape until after his death. Our goal was for me to arrive at his home with a crew in mid-September 1998.
On September 2, 1998, Stein called me deeply troubled, his voice trembling. I did not have phone recording equipment on at that time. He told me that morning he had gone to a scheduled doctor's appointment about his diabetes. The doctor's office was at the top of a short flight of stairs. As Stein reached the first step, he saw the same two men from Part 19 standing at the top of the stairs. When he reached them, their demeanor was more serious than the first July 5, 1998, supermarket encounter. Stein told me they had another warning: “We are here to remind you again that we expect you to be a loyal American and that you will not communicate anymore with Linda Moulton Howe if you want to see your son marry his girlfriend and give you grandchildren.”
At that point, Stein's voice broke and he said, “Linda, they must be tapping my house some how because no one but my son, his mother and I know he was at our place two nights ago and told us he was going to ask his girlfriend to marry him. Even she does not know yet!”
I asked Stein if I could call him back to at least talk about the situation on my phone recording system. He agreed.
September 2, 1998, Recorded Phone
Discussion After Final Threat
Stein: “The CIA would probably like to get rid of me, if they could find an excuse.
Howe: BUT IT’S NOT FAIR AND IT’S NOT LEGAL. Well, most of the stuff they do is not legal! (laughs) Over the years, legality was not even a thought if they wanted to do something.
We all had to sign non-disclosure agreements that applied for 35 years, which in my case was up in the early 1990s. That’s the only non-disclosure agreement I ever signed. And, of course, Anthony Barden probably destroyed all that stuff based on the comments that the men in the supermarket made that they can’t find any record at all of Anthony and what went on about CIA extraterrestrial UFO matters in the United States and overseas and our secret unit at the southeastern military base. I have a feeling that Anthony Barden destroyed everything! I think that’s why that really can’t come up with the actual names we used as cover in our CIA Project Blue Book unit, except probably Anthony Barden’s name. Those men seemed to know more about Anthony’s past, like his being in the OSS.
IF WACKENHUT HAS BEEN RECORDING YOUR AND MY TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU MENTIONED ANTHONY BARDEN SPECIFICALLY AT THE START.
I DID NOT USE HIS NAME IN THE RADIO BROADCAST.
Right, you didn’t.
THIS REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT THOSE MEN WOULD BE THREATENING YOU BY THREATENING YOUR SON AT YOUR DOCTOR'S OFFICE.
Yes, and I wonder if the men threatening me and my son have had access to the German Nazi file about WWII discs that Anthony Barden and I read in the basement archive at the CIA? Or have all those files Anthony and I saw back in the late 1950s ‘disappeared.’ Remember when New Mexico Congressman Steve Schiff was trying to get Roswell Army Air Field files (1941 to 1948) and was told all the 1947 air base files had been ‘destroyed without authority’?
[ Editor's Note: Earthfiles December 4, 2004 - “In 1993, New Mexico Congressman Steve Schiff asked the Government Accounting Office (GAO) to determine if the U.S. Air Force, or any other U.S. government agency, possessed information on the alleged crash and recovery of an extraterrestrial vehicle and its alien occupants near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947.
Cong. Steve Schiff (R) Albuquerque, NM 1st Congressional District.
Died March 25, 1998, at age 51, from skin cancer.
GAO Report released to New Mexico Cong. Steven H. Schiff
on July 25, 1995, Washington, D. C.
Schiff told reporters: ‘The GAO report states that the outgoing messages from Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) for this period of time were destroyed without proper authority.’ Schiff pointed out that these messages would have shown how military officials in Roswell were explaining to their superiors exactly what happened.
Congressman Schiff said: ‘It is my understanding that these outgoing messages were permanent records, which should never have been destroyed. The GAO could not identify who destroyed the messages, or why.’ Schiff said the GAO thought the messages were destroyed over forty years ago, making further inquiry about their destruction impractical.
Schiff added, ‘At least this effort caused the Air Force to acknowledge that the crashed vehicle was no weather balloon. That explanation never fit the fact of high military security used at the time.’” ]
Stein: The file about Roswell crashes I found was down in the CIA basement archives when I was there with Anthony Barden. That was not filed under a Roswell heading. I wonder if their was a purposefully misleading ‘file system’ created to mislead everyone? In other words, was there some classified code to really top secret files that were deliberately mislabeled to keep people, even CIA agents, from finding the real files?
Just like the men in the parking lot might think I was one person in the 1950s, but they might have yet another decoy cover name left behind by Anthony Barden that wasn't even the phony CIA name I had and not my real name! (laughs) However, they showed me a photograph of myself from those Army/CIA days. I had on a dark suit in a black and white photograph with a dark tie and white shirt. It was definitely me, so they must have gone through all the photographs they could find from 1956 to 1960. Naturally, I was much skinnier back then than I am now. My boss, Anthony Barden, was standing beside me in another photograph the men showed me.
THOSE MEN DID NOT SAY TO YOU, ‘WE DON'T WANT THE GERMAN FILE TO BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE ....’ ?
No, they didn't. They just said, ‘We know that you read that WWII file and we need to keep this material from the public, along with everything else I had done and seen, that I should drop everything with you (Linda). Now they are threatening me about David's safety again and I think I should lay low for some period of time now. They must have someone watching me part of the time, or all of the time. They might even think I'm the person who hid in the files some of the saucer-related materials they can't even find themselves now.
THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THIS INTIMIDATION.
(laughs) No, they don't! But I know for a fact that several people associated with the Roswell, New Mexico, crashes in the late 1940s were terminated, killed, according to the file I read, to keep it all quiet. There was a nurse that was in the local hospital or clinic where they brought a live alien – I know later they killed her. All the public heard about was that she eventually disappeared. But the truth is she was killed by government agents to keep her from talking.
Secretary of Defense James Forrestal -
What Did He Know?
WAS THERE ANY DOCUMENT YOU SAW ANYWHERE THAT TALKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SICKNESS AND DEATH OF SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FORRESTAL?
Yes. When I was going through the CIA files, Anthony Barden told me that government agents had killed Forrestal.
WHO SPECIFICALLY DID THE KILLING?
It had to be the CIA. We were leaving the CIA archive and on the way out, Anthony said, ‘They killed Forrestal.’ And I said, ‘They killed Forrestal? I thought he was killed in an accident.’Anthony said, ‘No, they killed Forrestal.’
James Vincent Forrestal (February 15, 1892 – May 22, 1949)
was a United States Secretary of the Navy and the first U.S.
Secretary of Defense from September 17, 1947, to March 28, 1949.
Secretary of Defense James Forrestal's last meeting, March 25, 1949.
Among those present were left to right: Under Secretary of Navy W. J. Kenney;
Secretary of Air Force W. Stuart Symington; Secretary of Army Kenneth C. Royall;
James Forrestal, Secretary of Defense; General Omar Bradley; Admiral Louis Denfield;
and General Hoyt S. Vandenberg. Shortly after this photograph, Forrestal resigned.
Two months later he was murdered, according to a fragment
in Annex C, Forrestal, Majesticdocuments.com.
[ Editor's Note: Wikipedia - “Forrestal's sudden death on May 22, 1949, resulted from a fall out of a Bethesda Naval Hospital window. An official U.S. Navy Medical Review Board convened on his death, after examining all doctors and witnesses who were in the vicinity, could not establish the reason for Forrestal's fall (i.e. suicide, homicide, accident). Although an autopsy was performed, the autopsy report has never been made public. The peculiar circumstances of Forrestal's death, and the U.S. government's withholding of the complete report of the review board until 2004 has led to much speculation and controversy.”
In his book, UFOs and the National Security State: An Unclassified History, Volume One, 1941 to 1973, © 2000 by Keyhole Publishing, author Richard M. Dolan wrote about Forrestal's mysterious death:
“At around 2 a.m. on the morning of May 22, 1949, America’s first Secretary of Defense, James Vincent Forrestal, fell to his death from a small window of the 16th floor of the Bethesda Naval Hospital.
Bethesda Naval Hospital, Bethesda, Maryland.
“The decline and death of Forrestal is an unresolved problem of history. There is no question that he suffered from a spectacular mental breakdown during 1948 and 1949. Exactly why he did so is less certain, but the answer may have relevance to American national security – and the pesky topic of UFOs.
“From the standpoint of conventional history -- that is, sans UFOs -- there were no shortage of problems facing Forrestal. Throughout 1948, Forrestal locked horns with Air Force Secretary Stuart Symington over defense spending. Truman demanded an impossibly balanced budget, and Forrestal’s job was to keep the services in line. He could not do this and, to some degree, would not. The result was the erosion of Truman’s confidence. It may not have mattered to Forrestal: like most of the country, he assumed Truman’s political career was over and that by the end of the year a Republican, probably Thomas Dewey, would be in the White House.
“But Forrestal, not Truman, was the doomed man. His relationship with Symington went from bad to worse. For reasons still unclear, Symington embarked, in the words of one author, ‘upon a kind of personal guerilla warfare’ against the Secretary of Defense. Throughout the fall and winter of 1948, Forrestal’s mental health, physical condition, and authority as Secretary of Defense deteriorated. When Truman shocked the world in November by winning the Presidential election, Forrestal had still not obtained a budget consensus from the Joint Chiefs. Friends commented on his growing paranoia. He was convinced that ‘foreign-looking men’ were following him, and that Symington was spying on him. Forrestal’s belief eventually came to the attention of Truman and Secret Service Chief U. E. Baughman, who decided that Forrestal was suffering from ‘a total psychotic breakdown.’
“On January 11, 1949, Truman informed Forrestal that Louis Johnson would soon replace him as Secretary of Defense. By now, Symington and Attorney General Tom Clark were feeding stories to journalist Drew Pearson, in particular that Forrestal complained of ‘being followed by Jews or Zionist agents.’ Forrestal accused Clark of having the FBI shadow him, which Clark denied, but which according to all of Forrestal’s biographers could well have been true. Forrestal finally left office in a formal ceremony on March 28, 1949, his last public appearance.
“What followed after the ceremony remains mysterious. ‘There is something I would like to talk to you about,’ Symington told Forrestal, and accompanied him privately during the ride back to the Pentagon. What Symington said is not known, but Forrestal emerged from the ride deeply upset, even traumatized, upon arrival at his office. Friends of Forrestal implied that Symington said something that ‘shattered Forrestal’s last remaining defenses.’ When someone entered Forrestal’s office several hours later, the former Secretary of Defense did not notice. Instead, he sat rigidly at his desk, staring at the bare wall, incoherent, repeating the sentence, ‘you are a loyal fellow,’ for several hours.”
DID FORRESTAL KNOW ABOUT THE NON-HUMAN SITUATION? Probably. WHY HAS THE CIA KILLED PEOPLE TO KEEP THE E. T. SITUATION COVERED UP?
I'm not exactly sure. I do remember reading a CIA file on Harry Truman in which he was talking about the Cold War starting and that there were aliens from outer space and some looked like little humans and some looked like insects.
WHO HAD WRITTEN THAT?
I don't remember. It had to be someone who had taken down his comments in a meeting.
TRUMAN FORMED THE CIA.
Yes, I know he did in September 1947.
IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE PICKED FOR THE NEW CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN 1947 WOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE SAME OSS INTELLIGENCE CROWD THAT WORKED ON CRACKING THE JAPANESE CODE IN WWII?
I know a lot of people from the OSS were rolled into the CIA.
JUST LIKE ANTHONY BARDEN.
Yes, he was just rolled right over into it from the OSS.
SO, IN THE TRUMAN FILE YOU SAW IN THE CIA BASEMENT ARCHIVE, THERE WAS A MEMO ABOUT A MEETING OF THE NEW CIA AND PRESIDENT TRUMAN?
Yes, the document quoted Truman saying something like, ‘We've got the Cold War situation. These Russians are going nuts. We have enough to deal with on that front and now we've got aliens that look like little humans and others that look like insects.’
ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OR DRAWINGS IN THE FILE?
No. It was printed out like the minutes of the meeting.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT FORRESTAL MIGHT HAVE DONE OR SAID THAT WOULD MERIT HIS ASSASSINATION BY THE CIA?
There was nothing in the file that explained why because after Anthony told me the CIA killed Forrestal, I asked him why they would do that. And he said he did not know, but that maybe Forrestal - as the new and first American Secretary of Defense – thought the government should be honest with the public and tell them about the alien retrievals.”
That was the last conversation I ever had with Stein because he asked me not to phone or write him any more after threats that implied something bad would happen to his son if Stein continued to talk with me.
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